Comments on: Passenger and other Ruby frameworks http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/27/passenger-and-other-ruby-frameworks/ Ecchi nanowa ikenai to omoimasu Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:42:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Eivind Uggedal http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/27/passenger-and-other-ruby-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-8946 Eivind Uggedal Tue, 13 May 2008 21:05:29 +0000 http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/27/passenger-and-other-ruby-frameworks/#comment-8946 Have you heard about Rack? mod_rack? Have you heard about Rack? mod_rack?

]]> By: Neil Wilson http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/27/passenger-and-other-ruby-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-8017 Neil Wilson Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:41:05 +0000 http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/27/passenger-and-other-ruby-frameworks/#comment-8017 I think then a blog post on how to do automatic setup in Rails is probably in order. I think then a blog post on how to do automatic setup in Rails is probably in order.

]]> By: simplificator » Blog Archive » Deploying Rails Applications with mod_rails http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/27/passenger-and-other-ruby-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-8016 simplificator » Blog Archive » Deploying Rails Applications with mod_rails Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:49:07 +0000 http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/27/passenger-and-other-ruby-frameworks/#comment-8016 [...] is pretty distracting! Can you create a new screencast without it ;-) ) And here is some more information on it. Anyone used it already ? Leave a comment or contact [...] [...] is pretty distracting! Can you create a new screencast without it ;-) ) And here is some more information on it. Anyone used it already ? Leave a comment or contact [...]

]]> By: Nowne http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/27/passenger-and-other-ruby-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-8013 Nowne Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:43:02 +0000 http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/27/passenger-and-other-ruby-frameworks/#comment-8013 Come on, that's advertisers' talking, not developers' Come on, that’s advertisers’ talking, not developers’

]]> By: Hongli http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/27/passenger-and-other-ruby-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-8008 Hongli Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:13:02 +0000 http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/27/passenger-and-other-ruby-frameworks/#comment-8008 <blockquote>But when you call these error pages user-friendly, well, they’re not. They’re developer-friendly.</blockquote> <b>Our</b> users are developers. :) And system administrators. An option could be added to disable these messages. And these messages are only shown if something went wrong during startup, never if something went wrong after the Rails application has already started.

But when you call these error pages user-friendly, well, they’re not. They’re developer-friendly.

Our users are developers. :) And system administrators.

An option could be added to disable these messages. And these messages are only shown if something went wrong during startup, never if something went wrong after the Rails application has already started.

]]> By: futzl http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/27/passenger-and-other-ruby-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-8007 futzl Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:57:55 +0000 http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/27/passenger-and-other-ruby-frameworks/#comment-8007 For me as a Rails developer, it would be nice to have detailed error messages instead of a plain "500 Something went wrong". But when you call these error pages user-friendly, well, they're not. They're developer-friendly. Giving that kind of detailed information about what went wrong out to the public is also a security risk. All a user (of a website) wants to know is "This is broken, we might be working at it, try again later." For me as a Rails developer, it would be nice to have detailed error messages instead of a plain “500 Something went wrong”. But when you call these error pages user-friendly, well, they’re not. They’re developer-friendly. Giving that kind of detailed information about what went wrong out to the public is also a security risk. All a user (of a website) wants to know is “This is broken, we might be working at it, try again later.”

]]> By: Ninh Bui http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/27/passenger-and-other-ruby-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-8006 Ninh Bui Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:27:12 +0000 http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/27/passenger-and-other-ruby-frameworks/#comment-8006 @Nowne: Actually, he never mentioned any year so I guess the joke's on you ;) But in all seriousness, please be a bit patience, we're going the extra mile on this and people like you trying to rush us into releasing this isn't really supportive. Like I said, not only do we have some of the largest Ruby on Rails web hosts working with us on this, but also the core rails team. If that isn't credibility, then I don't know what is. Again, please be patient. @Nowne:
Actually, he never mentioned any year so I guess the joke’s on you ;)

But in all seriousness, please be a bit patience, we’re going the extra mile on this and people like you trying to rush us into releasing this isn’t really supportive. Like I said, not only do we have some of the largest Ruby on Rails web hosts working with us on this, but also the core rails team. If that isn’t credibility, then I don’t know what is. Again, please be patient.

]]> By: Ninh Bui http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/27/passenger-and-other-ruby-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-8005 Ninh Bui Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:24:27 +0000 http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/27/passenger-and-other-ruby-frameworks/#comment-8005 Beah Hongli, never should've let you talk me into making it 100% open source, Nowne would've made a fine exclusion clause in the license :( 99.9...% would've been just fine by me ;) Beah Hongli, never should’ve let you talk me into making it 100% open source, Nowne would’ve made a fine exclusion clause in the license :( 99.9…% would’ve been just fine by me ;)

]]> By: Nowne http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/27/passenger-and-other-ruby-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-8004 Nowne Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:23:40 +0000 http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/27/passenger-and-other-ruby-frameworks/#comment-8004 > Would you care for a little wager? If Passenger hasn’t been released by March 5th, then I’ll do whatever you want (you can make a > screenshot of this comment to prove that I’ve said this!). If it has been released before that date, then I want you to hype it for a month. Deal! March 5th is long gone ;-) Trust me, I really want to believe you guys! I spend hours every week struggling with fcgi crashes on shared hosts. You just can't possibly expect your first release to be 100% bug-free! That's simply not how it works! > Would you care for a little wager? If Passenger hasn’t been released by March 5th, then I’ll do whatever you want (you can make a
> screenshot of this comment to prove that I’ve said this!). If it has been released before that date, then I want you to hype it for a month.

Deal! March 5th is long gone ;-)

Trust me, I really want to believe you guys! I spend hours every week struggling with fcgi crashes on shared hosts.

You just can’t possibly expect your first release to be 100% bug-free! That’s simply not how it works!

]]> By: Hongli http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/27/passenger-and-other-ruby-frameworks/comment-page-1/#comment-8003 Hongli Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:17:28 +0000 http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/03/27/passenger-and-other-ruby-frameworks/#comment-8003 <blockquote>Give me just one reason not to believe that mod_rails is complete vaporware…</blockquote> Because we have the source? But hey, you don't have to believe us. :) Ask Pratik "lifo" Naik and Jeremy "bitsweat" Kemper, both Rails core team members. They've helped us with beta testing. <blockquote>Come on, you just can’t have developed such a feature-complete and pseudo-perfect software secretly… Why would you have registered on RubyForge less than a week ago?</blockquote> Actually, we have. Development began somewhere in February, about the same time as <a href="http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2008/01/27/rails-deployment-wouldnt-it-be-great-if-it-worked-like-this/" rel="nofollow">this post</a>. We registered less than a week ago because we're close to a release and we need the RubyForge release system for gem distribution. If open source is what you're worried about, then don't worry. It is going to be 100% open source, by every meaning of the word. The only reason why it isn't released yet is because we want 1.0 to be perfectly stable. We do not intent on releasing a half-assed, may-or-may-not-work half-documented piece of *****. You can expect a quality 1.0 release from us that's stable, fast and 100% documented. Would you care for a little wager? If Passenger hasn't been released by March 5th, then I'll do whatever you want (you can make a screenshot of this comment to prove that I've said this!). If it has been released before that date, then I want you to hype it for a month. ;)

Give me just one reason not to believe that mod_rails is complete vaporware…

Because we have the source?

But hey, you don’t have to believe us. :) Ask Pratik “lifo” Naik and Jeremy “bitsweat” Kemper, both Rails core team members. They’ve helped us with beta testing.

Come on, you just can’t have developed such a feature-complete and pseudo-perfect software secretly… Why would you have registered on RubyForge less than a week ago?

Actually, we have. Development began somewhere in February, about the same time as this post. We registered less than a week ago because we’re close to a release and we need the RubyForge release system for gem distribution.

If open source is what you’re worried about, then don’t worry. It is going to be 100% open source, by every meaning of the word. The only reason why it isn’t released yet is because we want 1.0 to be perfectly stable. We do not intent on releasing a half-assed, may-or-may-not-work half-documented piece of *****. You can expect a quality 1.0 release from us that’s stable, fast and 100% documented.

Would you care for a little wager? If Passenger hasn’t been released by March 5th, then I’ll do whatever you want (you can make a screenshot of this comment to prove that I’ve said this!). If it has been released before that date, then I want you to hype it for a month. ;)

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